Second uncompressed copy of iTunes library for Sonos?

[Buegie]

Originally Posted by GlynH

1. What is the best lossless format to re-rip my CD's to that is compatible with Sonos? I would like to think that when Apple release iPods in the future with larger memory I might also use the same lossless library also but my priority is to Sonos at this time.

I do not believe that Apple supports FLAC in its iDevices. I have been using the AAC (.m4a) format for iDevices and Apple Lossless (ALAC) for quality listening via Sonos.

By definition, all Lossless Codecs will produce the same audio quality.

There may be slight filesize differences with varying Lossless Codecs.

If you are using iTunes and iDevices and see this continuing in the future, use ALAC for your Lossless audio Codec.

Just my opinion, given the assumptions I made.

Originally Posted by GlynH

2. What would be the best procedure to rip this second copy of my library to the NAS in whatever lossless format is best but maintain my existing metadata?

Is this even possible?

I believe so, with some caveats....

If you have all (or most) of your current Lossy music in AAC format (not mp3) and are willing to use ALAC for your Lossless audio, you may use iTunes to re-rip your CDs into Lossless and 'replace' your Lossy (AAC) files, maintaining the current meta-data from the Lossy songs.

This works because both AAC and ALAC share the same file extension (.m4a). As long as the filename of the current Lossy song and the proposed Lossless version is exactly the same, iTunes will replace it with the better version maintaining the meta-data.

This will not work if you have an mp3 file that you want to morph into a ALAC file via iTunes.

This will not work if the song names and folder locations are not exact. i.e.:
a) The Eagles - This and That vs. The Eagles - This & That
b) The Eagles - This and That vs. Eagles - This and That

Even one character different will cause iTunes to create a separate file for that song.

While you may be able to 'spoof' iTunes by renaming all your mp3s so they have an extension of m4a, I do not know if this would work. I haven't tried it and may not have time for a test anytime soon.

Obviously, you do not want to lose your Lossy files during the 'replacement' process, so make several backups of them all to 2 or more ExternalHDs (if you havenlt already).

I am certain that this will be slightly to somewhat messy (or highly messy if bungled). Backups of everything is important.

This is what I would do if I found myself in your position. The meta-data management has to be well controlled so that your re-processing is kept to a minimum.

Still seems like less work than having to re-tag all your files.

Thoughts?... Questions?

There is most likely more important details that will come to me as I put more thought into this. Others may have additional suggestions or completely different approaches. Should be interesting to see the replies you get.

Best of Luck

[GlynH]

Hi there,

Have been happy using Sonos for some time now pointing to my Synology NAS which is a copy of my local iTunes library stored on a PC where I only rip my own CD collection at 192kbps along with a dozen hard-to-find tracks purchased from iTunes at 320kbps.

I need to maintain a compressed copy of my library which currently stands @10500 tracks and takes up @50MB or so to feed my 64GB iPod for use in one car and feed a Phatnoise in the van.

What I would like to do is duplicate my library in a lossless format to give me higher quality music in the house via Sonos and various other streaming devices.

What I don't want to do is duplicate the metadata as I have put in many hours making sure the tags, spelling, year etc. are correct and cover art is in place.

I guess I have two main questions;

1. What is the best lossless format to re-rip my CD's to that is compatible with Sonos? I would like to think that when Apple release iPods in the future with larger memory I might also use the same lossless library also but my priority is to Sonos at this time.

2. What would be the best procedure to rip this second copy of my library to the NAS in whatever lossless format is best but maintain my existing metadata?

Is this even possible?

Thanks & kind regards,
-=Glyn=-

[NoBoB]

Since you're an iTunes user, you'd probably be best off with ALAC, as that allows you to continue to use a familiar interface. FLAC is also supported, but I doubt the iDevices will ever utilize that format natively.

The tagging, though, is another issue. I don't use iTunes, so perhaps another user can chime in here with a method to carry over the metadata. I don't know of a utility that can automate that task.

If I was doing this myself, I'd rip to lossless, then load both the lossy and the lossless tracks into mp3tag. One of the features of mp3tag is you can select two tracks, and it will allow you to choose to keep each metadata entry as it is, or change both tracks to the metadata of either one, via a dropdown dialog, so there's no additional typing. If iTunes has a similar feature, you're all set; if not, you could use mp3tag yourself.

[ratty]

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[Buegie]

Originally Posted by ratty

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I like to think that I'm so good that I answered the question before it was even posted. Including 'pre-quoting' what the OP was to write.

Leave me my Twilight Zone fantasies....

Any chance the Thread can be re-ordered?

[ratty]

Originally Posted by Buegie

Any chance the Thread can be re-ordered?

Not unless Sonos can work some magic on the forum database.